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Copyright: Ram Thakur (ramthakur) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 4316 W: 231 N: 14052] (56953)
Genre: Animals
Medium: Color
Date Taken: 2007-02-09
Categories: Birds
Camera: Nikon D200, Sigma 70-300 4-5.6 APO DG MACRO, 58mm UV
Exposure: f/8, 1/160 seconds
Photo Version: Original Version
Theme(s): RARE or SIGNIFICANT contributions to TN 1, Milestones [view contributor(s)]
Date Submitted: 2007-03-02 5:39
Viewed: 6567
Points: 72
[Note Guidelines] Photographer's Note

Friends, I feel happy to upload today the second picture of Grey Hypocolius by way of my 300th post.

While I was trying to shoot this solitary bird on the 9th of February from the living room window of my hospitable neighbour, I was a bit shaken by the tone of the bird's forlorn catlike mewing call, hardly aware at that time it was a lonely female mate call.
She has been visiting our trees off and on, all alone.

For almost a week now, I have not seen her around. Maybe she has already left for western Iran across the Arabian Gulf after wintering here in Riyadh for the next breeding season.

Now that I know who she was, I will miss her.

By way of a note, I quote another paragraph from an article related to the taxonomy of Grey Hypocolius:

"The Hypocolius is a very mysterious bird taxonomically. Lowe (1947) pointed to Old World chat-like characters and thought it was a thrush. From the 1950s through 1980s, however, it was usually considered either a subfamily in the Waxwing [Bombycillidae] group, along with silky-flycatchers and the Palmchat (e.g., Cramp 1988), or a monotypic family that was closely related to those taxa. Recent work grounded in biochemical evidence, however, hasn't yet helped much since no DNA-DNA hybridization data were available when Sibley & Ahlquist (1990) & Sibley & Monroe (1990) were published. They, however, suggested it was closer to the Bulbuls [Pycnonotidae] although "affinities uncertain." In his 4th ed. checklist, Clements (1991) didn't seem to know quite what to do. He put Hypocolius near bulbuls but had them separated the White-eyes [Zosteropidae]. From our brief field experience, this bird reminds me of a bulbul. Like many bulbuls it is primarily a fruit eater, and structurally it reminds me of that group. I will not be surprised to learn that biochemical evidence eventually shows it closely related to bulbuls. I do not think it is at all like a waxwing, or a silky-flycatcher, or the Palmchat. It does not seem to belong to that loose grouping".

The article is a very interesting account of an expedition's search for this bird in the UAE. For full article, please follow the link below.



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  • hansh Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 277 W: 1 N: 741] (2762)
  • [2007-03-02 5:48]

Congrats with your 300th post.
I wonder how you spotted this bird, the colors are almost the same as the background.
Nice picture and i like the DOF and POV.
Gr. Hans

Bel oiseau en tenue de camouflage.
Bonne journée.

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  • dew77 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 4432 W: 248 N: 4028] (13270)
  • [2007-03-02 6:26]

Hello Ram,
Congratulations on your 300th post:)This one is also wonderful as the former.Warm lighting,cross framing and composition are excellent.

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  • Argus Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5038 W: 260 N: 15594] (50626)
  • [2007-03-02 6:27]
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Hello Ram,
Congratulations on your 300th post and this second post of the rare and remarkable Grey Hypocolius is an excellent way of celebrating the occasion. Like your first post of this species, the image has the quality of an Audobon bird painting: the pose, the subtle tints of colour, the composition and sharpness.
First class! I think your shots of the Hypocolius are unique on TN: another cause for celebration!
Best wishes, Ivan

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  • Silke Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 729 W: 98 N: 1707] (5458)
  • [2007-03-02 6:53]

This is lovely indeed, Ram (although I still prefer the light handling of your first one)
Congratulations on your 300th post and I must say that you have chosen an excellent subject: a bird as rare as you are.

Hi Ram,
Congratulations on your 300th post. AMAZING! I have not ever observed one of these. A beautiful bird. The colors in this are very beautiful. He really fits in with the surrounding vegetation. Nice detail in this well composed and framed shot.

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  • horia Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2158 W: 224 N: 4749] (16656)
  • [2007-03-02 7:40]

Hi Ram and congratulations from the bottom of my heart for such an amazing number of posts!

This too (just like the other one) is a splendid shot of this lovely Grey Hypocolius.
The diagonal composition you have achieved here is just terrific and the details on the bird are charming.
The exposure is very well managed and the light intensity and contrast are great.
Splendid work once more, my friend.

Cheers, TFS and a great weekend!

Hello SIr,
First of all Congratulations for 300th post. In indian sense 300th NOT OUT (Triple Century). :D. If you consider a picture posted everyday, you are here on TN for a continuous year.(Actualy u r here for more than a year.)That's fabulos.Your pictures have been so encouraging. Especialy the notes,I would say that, they bring a personal touch to every picture. Not to forget the detailed critiques u have written. You have been a asset to TN, truely. I wish you the best for the journey with TN and hope to see more and more excellant captures with interesting notes.
About this pic, its been as fabulous as last one. Cristal clear with nice pose of bird. Excellant exposure Nice details and offcourse great note. :D


Hello ram !
She is a wonderful bird ! So gracious, so beautiful... And her camouflageis excellent as well. I love everything on the picture : details, colors, composition, pose and attitude of the bird. Must have been great to watch her, and I can understand that you miss her now that she is gone !
Many congratulations also for your 300th post ! I love each picture you have in your gallery, even if I cannot leave a comment on all of them - not enough time. Keep on pleasing us with your beautiful photos !

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  • Jamesp Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1369 W: 9 N: 6334] (18906)
  • [2007-03-02 9:08]

A lovely composition - almost a painting - subtle greens and yellows - it seems to move. Even so the bird stands out well.


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  • Viera Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 82 W: 0 N: 74] (494)
  • [2007-03-02 9:46]

Hi Ram,
really beautiful photo. I like very much the light captured here.The bird looks like a part of the plant.

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  • uleko Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3396 W: 172 N: 3310] (10940)
  • [2007-03-02 9:48]

Hello Ram,
Another beautiful shot of this rare bird - I think you were brilliant finding this one! I almost prefere the previous one where the colours were a bit darker. But both are splendid!
Many congratulations on reaching 300, I look forward to hundreds more from India!
TFS and best wishes, Ulla

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  • jaycee Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2454 W: 10 N: 8044] (25460)
  • [2007-03-02 11:08]

Hi Ram,

It's wonderful seeing another shot of this bird. What a fantastic 300th post! I think I like this one even better than the last one. The pose is marvelous and shows off the bird's sleekness.



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  • delic Gold Star Critiquer [C: 440 W: 6 N: 310] (898)
  • [2007-03-02 11:19]

Hello Ram,
Quite a composition here: tight and the hypocolius is diagonally place, from one corner to the other. Definitely no real estate wasted. I like it a lot. The color palette is also interesting. The bird is almost an extension of the leaf. Well done.
Congratulations on the 300th!

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  • Alex99 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 4072 W: 133 N: 7096] (23735)
  • [2007-03-02 12:40]
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Dear Ram.
I hearty congratulate you on such significant and amazing event of your life and life of whole TN community. Significance of your participation is difficult for overestimating. Your pictures, notes and critique are full of feelings, warm-heartedness and sympathy to nature, photography and to us. This anniversary you have presented to yourselves (and to us) a remarkable picture and we can present you our love. It is very symbolically, that exactly these days the excellent new equipment became of your friend. These days you are waiting with homecoming. I wish realization of all your hopes and desires and as much fruitful participation in a TN life. BRAVO, Maestro.

congratiolation Ram,
yes your 300th shot times go very quick, I have seen a lot progression by your photo work my friend and thats for me a fact. like this shot, I know how difficult it is to made a good photo of a bird, well youi did do it very well, thank you and I see you.
gr. jaap

super cet oiseau et quel ensemble de couleurs
tres bon pov, bravo

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  • mikou Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 869 W: 68 N: 1479] (6093)
  • [2007-03-02 15:05]

Hi Ram.
Beautiful picture with pastel shade colours.You are captured this bird in very nice pose.I like composition with oblique lines.
Well done,TFS and congratulations on your 300th post.
Best greetings Milos

Very good "300TH PICTURE" Ram.
Very pure and sharp shot. Very well done. Tfs. Stev

A beautiful capture for your 300th! Very nice bird with soft light and colours. Excellent composition, DOF and details. TFS and hope to see your 500th post on TN :-))

hello mr thakur,
congratulations on your 300th posing on tn,
it has been apleasure looking at your posts,
this one is a nice shot for being the 300th one,
well composed with fine pov,
lovely colour tones, good pose,
nice framing,
tfs & regards

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  • loot Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5524 W: 722 N: 4163] (11276)
  • [2007-03-02 23:29]
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Hi Ram

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S Mr. Ram D. Thakur from Himachal Pradesh, currently from Riyadh in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. At least now that I have identified the right honourable man I suppose I can get on with the rest of my comments (chuckle).

This last year and a bit went past so fast and no wonder because you were one of the cardinal people to entertain me (TN) with such excellent and outstanding material to view on an almost daily basis. To post 300 photos in 399 days means that you uploaded a photo every 1.33 days. Quite an astonishing feat to accomplish if one consider that each of these postings were accompanied by a normally extensive account relating to the subject, technical information, personal observations, interesting and useful research material, nostalgic remembrances, anecdotes, etc. As if this was not enough there were also 5408 critiques, numerous wise and thoughtful replies to critiques, 51 workshops, and an abundant number of forum participations. So, who can argue the entertainment value and the significance of killing time by such an impressive contribution? Don't you ever have some school papers to review or exams to mark (chuckle)? All I can say is thank you Ram and please do continue in this remarkable fashion without stop. It is an honour and a privilege to be able to call you one of my dear TN friends.

Oh yes, before I forget, I like this shot of the very interesting Grey hypocolius - Hypocolius ampelinus. This little bird has to do some precision flying judging by the sharp spikes on the base of this palm leaf. It looks like she was all eyes only for you. You must have had your suit on (ha-ha). It seems like these two shots of the "hypocolius" which you posted on TN are the only ones on the site which place it in the "Rare and Significant Contribution" category. This sure beats flies & cockroaches...nah, just pulling your leg, for you had some "lovely" fly & cockroach shots.

Great work and TFS.

PS. This just gave me an excellent idea of a new theme so this rarity will be the first entrée.

Hi dear Ram ,
great image with well composed.
excellent sharpness and nice BG.
nice frame.
very well done
thanks and regards

Hello Ram,
Congratulations with 300th. You caught it very well my friend. Greetings.
p.s. I want to see your 3000th, too.

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  • jmp Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1659 W: 95 N: 2273] (8415)
  • [2007-03-03 6:46]

Hi Ram,
Contratulations for both the big 300th post and the wonderful bird you post in this occasion. Really smart figure, awesome colours and a nice pose and composition.
Best regards, José M.

Hi Ram,
congtats on your 300th post, waiting for nest 300.
THe light and colours are lovely. I like the
diagonal composition, it's very nice.
Well done, my friend.

Hello Ram,
This is an impressive number of pictures and I'm very glad that your 300th is A BIRD :) It is a nice way to celebrate as this bird is so interesting and rare :) This is again a beautiful capture with nice exposure, colors, POV and composition. Your little "girl friend" is looking directly at you to wish you many more pictures. I hope that she'll be back and that you can photograph her again, she is so nice and I’m glad that you finally found it’s ID.

Thanks for your great contribution to this site, your sensibility and generosity. I'm looking forward to your next 300th ;) Thanks!

wow, new bird in TN, thanks very much for this. Ori

Dear Ram, I would like to add my congratulations. After all doing 300 shots on TN is quite an accompishment, especially when on average you have garnered almost 30 points per shot.

As to this particular beauty - I mean the bird - it is an excellent capture.

As to presentation I find there is something missing. The bird's colours almost completely blend in with the surroundings... that is possible of course, but as this is the Grey Hypocolius I would expect to see evidence of the grey Your third shot of this bird DOES in fact show more grey... It - that third one - would have been a better shot except for the pose .

All the best, ma a'salama, Jay

PS I think your ID is 100% correct; see confirmation; also:
""The bird is not especially rare, but the political difficulties in getting into and around any of the countries in its range are formidable.""

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  • manyee Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3089 W: 230 N: 6774] (23770)
  • [2007-03-04 4:14]

Congratulations on your 300th post, Ram.
And what a fitting choice for this special milestone.
This rare bird is indeed special, and you have portrayed him so well in your various shots of him. I can totally understand why you are enamored with him. : )
Thank you for sharing all your wonderful pictures with us.

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  • fthsm Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 172 W: 56 N: 512] (3689)
  • [2007-03-04 6:04]

I hope I can reach the same number in a short time. I think I am a bit jealous :)
TFS Ram and many 300th posts.

Hello Ram,
congratulations again, now both for your Anniversary, and for the capture that is well fitting for the event.
Bautiful story, excellent link in the notes.
Thank you! With best regards,

Another great one, this one is a little more green than the previous but still good.

I love the focus and color overall!


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  • cedryk Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 967 W: 50 N: 1722] (5270)
  • [2007-03-04 12:06]

Hello Ram,
Congratulations for your 300th post. It's a very elegant composition, both in colours and shapes. Nice light too. There is some noise visible but doesn't spoil the picture.
Best greetings and TFS!

Czesć Ram!

Bardzo fajne zdjecie ptaka.Podoba mi sie jego poza i uchwycenie.Kolory bardzo dobrze sie komponuja jako tło.

Pozdrawiam z Polski- ADI!

Dear Ram Thakur Sir,
Congrats for choosing this mysterious bird as 300th picture for treknature lovers.
Regards: Subhash Ranjan

An amazing photo! She blends into the background so well, looking like one of the palms she is perched upon. The colours and clarity are so perfect that you could nearly touch and feel the bird.

Wonderful shot for a 300th posting!


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