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Myotis nattereri - Sacakli Yarasa

Myotis nattereri - Sacakli Yarasa
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Copyright: Ahmet Karatash (rousettus) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2216 W: 73 N: 5657] (19818)
Genre: Animals
Medium: Color
Date Taken: 2008-08-01
Categories: Mammals
Camera: Sony Cyber Shot DSC W55
Exposure: f/4, 1/50 seconds
More Photo Info: [view]
Photo Version: Original Version, Workshop
Theme(s): Bats - CHIROPTERA, Fauna of PALAEARCTIC Region, Mammals in Turkiye & the Middle East [view contributor(s)]
Date Submitted: 2008-10-05 12:34
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Points: 40
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Hello my friends,

The bats are relatively rare on TN, because of that the bats live usually underground roosting sites and they are not popular as much as birds and butterflies. As I found, this is second post for Myotis nattereri (Kuhl, 1817) - Saçaklı Yarasa [TR], Natterer's Bat [EN] which is relatively common species in Europe.
It has a distribution in Ireland, Britania and other Europe except for North Scandinavia, Morocco [Magrep], northern side of Algeria, northward to Crimea and eastward from Turkiye and Palestine to Iran, the Caucasus and Turkmenistan.
The bat has brown fur in back (dorsum), whitish hairs on ventral side. Fallowing diagnostic features of M. nattereri are important for easy identification;
-Its size is small (FA*: 35-44 mm),
-Tragus** is lanceolate,
-Calcar*** is very long, more than half way of uropatagium**** is covered thickly with short bristles. Turkish name "saçaklı" refers this feature.
-Plagiopatagium***** attachs at the base of the outer toe.

We, bat searcher, usually use some terms mentioned above.
*FA [forearm lenght]: Most important measurements we used for bats and it shows forearm, consists of radius and ulna bones.
**Tragus [pl. tragi]: is pointed eminence of the external ears. It is small for humans, but long or very long for most of bats. They are absent for some groups, e.g. the genus Rousettus of the family Pteropodidae (click previous link for see).
***Calcar: is a cartilage spur, which starts inner side of the ankle and helps spread the uropatagium (=interfomoral membrane).
****Uropatagium: comes from old Greek with meaning tail (uro) membrane and it is sometimes called as "interfomoral membrane" and is a part of wing membrane between the hind legs and the tail.
*****Plagiopatagium: refers wing membranes, which found between forelimbs (incl. among digits)and hindlimbs.
Plagiopatagium and uropatagium can be seen easily on a flying bat (click previous link for see).

After posting, when I looked for some information about bats and I met short story of Heinrich Kuhl, who is German zoologist. I know previously that he described some bat species, e.g. Myotis bechsteinii, M. nattereri, Nyctalus leisleri, and Miniopterus schreibersii. However, I have not known that he died when he was only 24 years old. In this short period (1797-1821), he visit many countries and described some new species and wrote a monograph about German bats.
Although many authors show patronomy for Pipistrellus kuhlii Kuhl, 1817 mistakenly, the species was described by J. Natterer to honour of H. Kuhl and the book was published in 1819, not 1817. It is caused the wrong citation that Kuhl was editor, Natterer was author some section.
As an ethic rule of taxonomy, an author should not give own name to a taxon.

The shots here and in workshops [WS 1, WS 2] were taken near Silifke (Mersin Province). I found them in small groups of several individuals in midnight in a old building. I used only small torch for lighting, except for flash of compact camera.

nglen, siggi, sandpiper2, jaycee, Jamesp, ammodytes, PeterZ, matatur, volkan, kaytan, spalaxtr, gracious, uleko, jusninasirun, cicindela, elif has marked this note useful
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  • nglen Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2883 W: 30 N: 9683] (36145)
  • [2008-10-05 12:47]

Hi Ahmet . This is a first class close up of the Bat. You have captured this one with sharp focusing which has given fine detail and rich colours. a good view if the face area. well done TFS.

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  • siggi Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3097 W: 109 N: 12399] (52850)
  • [2008-10-05 12:53]

Hello Ahmet,
A nice capture of this bat . Superb details and a lovely composition. Thanks a lot for sharing.
Regards Siggi

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  • demeve Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 586 W: 12 N: 1682] (6165)
  • [2008-10-05 13:33]

Hello Ahmet,

Nice bat, the animal is very sharp and very clear on the focus
Very nice notes too.. Well done


Hi Ahmet

An interesting note about Kuhl, even I have heard of him, but like you didn't know he died so young.
Great shot of this bat, as you say we only see these guys occasionally on TN. Quite good sharpness and detail for 1/50 sec. Good composition too.


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  • jaycee Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2454 W: 10 N: 8044] (25460)
  • [2008-10-05 15:57]

Hi Ahmet,

I was always so afraid of bats that I never took a really good look at one. This picture is so good that I finally got my good look. Reaction? He's cute. If I see another one I won't keep him for a pet but I will get as close a shot as I can manage. This excellent shows him in wonderful details, textures and colors. I like the other pose of him in the worshop too. Thank you for lessening a fear for I won't tell you how many years.


Marhaba Ahmet,

Superb capture of this bat with nice colors, focus & detail. TFS.

Salam Akhi...Ahmet.


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  • Jamesp Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1369 W: 9 N: 6334] (18906)
  • [2008-10-05 23:44]

Hi Ahmet

A great shot of this bat - excellent lighting and focus.

Great work my friend.


merhaba hocam,
En çok sevdiğiniz türlerden çok güzel bir paylaşım.
Elinize sağlık netlik harika.

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  • PeterZ Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5137 W: 166 N: 13121] (49139)
  • [2008-10-06 2:52]

Hello Ahmet,
Very beautiful photo in wonderful flash light. Colours and sharpness are great. The POV, pose and eye-contact are excellent. This is the best out of the three photos. Specially in the composition.

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  • Argus Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5038 W: 260 N: 15594] (50626)
  • [2008-10-06 3:31]

Günaydin Ahmet,
A superb capture of Natterer's Bat, a species that I am a little more familiar with. This is taken from a great POV with technical excellence in a fine composition.
Tesekkür ederim dostum,
Eline saglik,

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  • gannu Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 988 W: 4 N: 3277] (14761)
  • [2008-10-06 4:27]

Hello Ahmet, well captured and good focus. Nice clarity Ganesh

Hola Ahmet,
After all those wonderful reptiles, you've come back to your favourite topic, and with expertly captures my friend, with accompanying comprehensive notes. Thank you indeed for sharing these beauties.

Dostum merhaba,
Harika bir belge..doyurucu notlarınla
nefis olmuş..Tebrik ederim..
Kendine iyi bak..

Merhaba Ahmet Bey,
Sayenizde yarasaları yakından görme fırsatı buldum.Harika bir çekim.Tebrikler,


Dr yarasa senin işindir, yine nefis olmuş, klasına yakışan bir foto. Eline sağlık. Bilgiler de her zamanki gibi emekle ve özenle hazırlanmış. Selamla

Merhaba Dr.Ahmet,
It's rare alright, never seen this species before in this site! much appreciated for your effort and sharing!
The subject is in good closeness with perfect exposure and focus!
thank you once again
greeting to you and family
friend Tony

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  • uleko Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3396 W: 172 N: 3310] (10940)
  • [2008-10-09 11:49]
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Hello Ahmet,
I wish it was easier to see these fascinating animals but few of us go into caves! We do see the odd one flying at dusk here in the Pine woods but you never seem to discover where they nest or live! On pictures they often look so cheeky with their nose turned up and I like their fur and ears which seem to vary in shape and size. This is an excellent capture of a fine specimen showing fine sharpness and colours.
Many thanks and kind regards, Ulla

Hola Ahmet, gracias por tu ayuda para la ID de mi abeja ( Apis ).

Tu toma impresionante por su realismo y buena iluminación. Un buen encuadre y queda claro parte de su hábitat.

Un abrazo: Josep Ignasi Tejedor.

Oct 19, 2008

Salam Ahmet. Another sharp copy of your signature subject. Excellent exposure of vivid details of this mammals captured in good framing. I don't see many bat post and yours are very well written as reference. Thanks for sharing and have a wonderful Sunday. Regards. Jusni

Hello Ahmet!
Interesting picture and interesting note! I like the story about young zoologist from Germany and note about description of bats :)
Also it is nice to see another bat picture from you, and hear that it is in good condition in your region :)
Greetings from Lodz,

PS. I know that it is not good from the ethic point of view, but among zoologists specializing in Cicindelidae there was one person (Karl Mandl) who described one species after his own name :)

Hello Ahmet,
This is an unusual capture on TN. Bats are very unassuming.
Very well done.
Your portfolio is very beautiful.

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