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Copyright: Selen Ediger (SelenE) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2249 W: 65 N: 4205] (13972)
Genre: Animals
Medium: Color
Date Taken: 2007-04-26
Categories: Birds
Camera: Canon EOS 20D, Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L IS USM
Exposure: f/5.6, 1/60 seconds
Photo Version: Original Version
Date Submitted: 2007-07-20 6:00
Viewed: 4606
Points: 46
[Note Guidelines] Photographer's Note
I'm a bit confused about the species this time. I think this is a juvenile Lava Heron (Butorides sundevalli) but there is a possibility that it can also be a Striated Heron (Butorides striatus). If you read more about the species discussions, you may end up with the idea that this is a "Butorides striata"...

Discussions regarding these species; some authorities say that they should both stay as 2 different species while the others say that they should be considered as the same.
Further more the IUCN (International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources) list these under one name;
"Butorides striata" considering "Butorides striatus" (Linnaeus, 1758)as an orthographic error, and "Butorides sundevalli" (Reichenow, 1877) as Synonyms...

I'm not going to write the discussions in detail, but if you are interested you can read;
Proposal (#15) to South American Check-list Committee

Confused?? Well I think I shouldn't have written a note at all :o)

Have a nice weekend

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  • Argus Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5038 W: 260 N: 15594] (50626)
  • [2007-07-20 7:00]

Hello Selen,
My first reaction before reading your note was that this is a juvenile Striated Heron but the beak seems rather heavy. Anyway it's a fine sharp capture with good composition in what looks like limited lighting.
TFS and have a good weekend,

Merhaba Selen,
Kontrast, netlik ve renkler çok güzel olmuş.

Amazing shot taken in hard light condition!
Well done and TFS.

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  • pvs Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1127 W: 254 N: 3161] (14464)
  • [2007-07-20 8:34]

Hi Selen,

A nice picture,although a bit on the dark side,the contradt and colors come over remarkable well,you did a great job on this one,tfs


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  • falke Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 153 W: 18 N: 479] (1863)
  • [2007-07-20 10:24]

This is a beautiful photo of a Heron. Sorry that I can't help you with the identification as I have never been to this area but I have seen images of the Striated Heron from Israel and they looked different if I remember correctly.

However this is a very good photo and the difficult lightning condition makes your photo even more impressive. It seems that you had a incredible journey and would very much like to go there myself... well who knows... ;o)

Thanks for sharing all these great photos with us!
Regards/Bengt Falke

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  • uleko Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3396 W: 172 N: 3310] (10940)
  • [2007-07-20 10:26]

Hello Selen,
Whatever the species this is an interesting profile in dim light showing excellent sharp details and fine colours. Nicely composed too!
TFS and cheers, Ulla

This really is tough. My first idea was it being a juvenile Black-crowned Night Heron. (If they are present in the region - it might be a candidate.) Since I never saw either striated nor Lava Heron, not to mention a juvenile, I can't say anything on that matter...
And yes - it is good that you've written this note.
Good image with good detail and color, though a tad on the dark side..
Cheers, Klaus

Hey Selene
Brawo, brawo!!!
Foto superrr!!!!!!!

Salem Selen,
very good pov on capturing this beautiful Heron!
good sharpness with much details in the photo, well composed and well seen

Hi Selen,
Fine details on feathers,even able to see the down ones at the top of his/her head, perfect eye focusing,and very well managed metering here! Marta

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  • joey Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1739 W: 224 N: 6872] (24909)
  • [2007-07-21 2:31]

Hi Selen,
a great shot of this Heron.
Very sharp with excellent details.
Well done,

WOW! That eye stands out and looks like its focussed on something! The details and the sharpness are amazing

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  • dew77 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 4432 W: 248 N: 4028] (13270)
  • [2007-07-21 7:10]

Merhaba Selen,
Arka fonu,ışıklandırma,pozlama,kadraj ve detayları ile mükemmel bir fotograf.Tür konusunda en ufak fikir yürütecek bilgiye sahip değilim:)Ellerine sağlık!

Hi Selen,
Another great picture from the amazing evolutionary laboratory of Galapagos. I don´t know this species and you´ve portraited with excellent details and close-up. beautiful composition, the colours are melancholic to me, but nice.

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  • Kaszek Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 237 W: 50 N: 391] (1451)
  • [2007-07-21 14:14]

Hello Selen,
Great shot. Razorsharp, extra details. Nicely composed.

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  • PaulH Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1137 W: 26 N: 3879] (13882)
  • [2007-07-22 3:51]

Hi Selen,
a very artistic shot, the overall tonal quality you have created is fantastic, with the light brown markings of this bird lifting the image where it counts. Masterful exposure control to get all that detail and pin sharp focus - excellent work.

Hola Selen,
Excelente retrato, de gran nitidez, buenas texturas, y bella luminosidad, TFS. Saludos
José Ramón

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  • pilonm Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 588 W: 90 N: 975] (3321)
  • [2007-07-23 17:56]

Hello Selen,

Wow!!! What a fantastic atmosphere surrounding that splendid heron! The splendid bg compliments at the perfection the bird! Details are amazing and colors looks very natural! 1/60s was a great choice to work with this lack of light!

Great job and TFS!


Well, I have never seen this species before so I cannot add to any discussion. I like the dark colouring.Mainly I like always how you capture your photos in a way of most impact. Very pro Selen!

Hello Selen,
A moody capture in something that looks like low light!
Still wonderful details in the bird, that gives a great pose...
Attractive composition, a fine colour palette!
Pablo -

hello Selen,
Sharp and well composed image.
Don't know the ID though.

Hi Selen,
Interesting closeup of this heron surrounded in lava, not something you see everyday..If it's not a "Lava Heron", it sure looks lava-friendly to me ;}
Very good detail, sharpness, POV, and well composed.
So tell me, where is Santiago in relation to the Galapogos Islands? Please excuse my ignorance.
Well done!


What can be said of this bird. It is a juvenile, and it is a sundevalli type, not a striata type for a number of reasons including the overall blackishness and in particular the evident black of the bare parts around the eyes.

What to call it? It depends on who you listen to really. There has been a past tendency to split this race from mainland striata as Lava Heron - monotypic - Butorides sundevalli. I won't go into all the aspects of why - but, some of the reasons can be seen on the proposal discussion on the SACC site. There has been a tendency in the last few years to relump it with striata as the genetic basis for splitting would not seem to support the split, and for the problems of possible hybridization with striata striata if the two races were to meet.

So, it is up to you how to name it. It is either Lava Heron (Butorides sundevalli), or you can call it Striated Heron (Butorides striata sundevalli) according to your inclination and since there is no concordance even within the experts heavily involved in the phylogenetics of S American birds.

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