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A filter test for Horia

A filter test for Horia
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Copyright: Niek Bouwen (SunToucher) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2385 W: 237 N: 3033] (11162)
Genre: Landscapes
Medium: Color
Date Taken: 2008-09-13
Camera: Canon EOS 40D, Sigma 24-70mm F2.8 EX DG Macro, Lee Filter System
Exposure: f/11, 1/20 seconds
Details: Tripod: Yes
More Photo Info: [view]
Photo Version: Original Version, Workshop
Theme(s): Your favorites, Sallandse Heuvelrug [view contributor(s)]
Date Submitted: 2008-09-14 7:26
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[Note Guidelines] Photographer's Note
My Aekingerzand photo lead Horia to ask me to show the difference between the quality of the Cokin grad filters and the Lee grad filters. So yesterday I went on a quest to find (1) a new location and (2) all the good ellements to make a comparison of the two filters.

I left in the mid afternoon to find a new spot on the much visisted Archemerberg. Unfortunately there were not enough clouds to get a nice view and to get good difference in the quality of the filters. So I returned home, made dinner and left again to use the light of the golden hour.

I found my spot, set up my tripod, took a light measure of both sky and landscape, placed the camera on the tripod and placed a 0.6ND hard Lee filter infront of the camera. Got the Cokin 121M filter out of the bag and placed it infront of the lens.

The photo you see here is the Lee photo and this one did receive some adjustments in levels, curves and saturation.

I've also uploaded a workshop of both the photos to show the difference in the two filters. I do need to mention that a daytime photo would have showed the difference in quality better. The magenta hue on the Cokin photo would be more obvious. Still it is visable in this photo as well.

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Good comparison Niek . I have always appreciated this type of image but rarely get my settings correct. when I do, as you did here, it works out very nicely. Question. Are there some left over con trials up there in the sky that do a cross pattern against the clouds?

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  • erve Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 96 W: 3 N: 131] (620)
  • [2008-09-14 9:36]

Hi niek. A useful comparison, and a very nice photo in itself. Nice composition and beautiful sky, i particularly like the delicate whisps of cloud and the warm orange glow.



Hy Niek
I like many things in your picture. 1. the tree,half with leaves, half probably dead, without. 2; The impression of vast space, a large plain, without fences or another human "building's" . 3. I like the colors also.
Regards, Oana

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  • horia Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2158 W: 224 N: 4749] (16656)
  • [2008-09-14 10:31]

Hi Niek

First of all many thanks for accepting my idea and taking the time to make this interesting comparison.
I was so curious that i "ran" straight to the workshop and had a look :) Indeed the magenta cast is visible on the top of the frame and your idea to show them in mirror makes that even more visible.
As you also mentioned, a daytime shot would show the difference even better, i'm sure.

As for this shot, i really like your subject here. It has so much character and attracts a lot of attention thanks to its unique shape. The sky is very well exposed and presents some lovely colors, while the composition is simple but most effective.
Great work, all-in-all.

Bravo and really thanks for sharing!

Hello Niek,
Just to add to Horia's critique...
It's a bit difficult to compare in this kind of poor light conditions as the color temperature is changing very quickly in a quite unpredictable way...
Very useful contribution though. Guess the Lee filter system is pricier in general then? Or is it quality-wise only better with grads?

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  • gondox Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 356 W: 65 N: 342] (1585)
  • [2008-09-14 15:25]

Well Niek,

although meant as a filter test only I think the shot turned out wonderful! The sky has enough layers, colors and patterns to fill the most of the image. Composed perfectly but we're not surprised on that I think :)
And still useful as a test too! TFS!

Best regards,

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  • mbasil Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 335 W: 148 N: 745] (3320)
  • [2008-09-14 17:19]

Nice image here, Niek. I like the test, too -- to me it looks like it's not worth the extra money for the Lee filters, at least in this test. Will there be more examples? (I tried this sort of a scene with and witout polarization once, and the difference was really remarkable. In one the sky seemed to be the subject, in the other it seemed to be the clouds. Maybe I'll post it soon. But maybe to TL, since I think there were lots of buildings in the shot.)

Single trees against the sky are and have always been a favorite of mine.... made more interesting and perhaps spiritually symbolic with part of tree lacking leaves. I love it. TFS


Hi Niek!

Beside the fact that the picture is nice - the tree really is surprising - this test certainly is interesting. To be honest, I still do not know why filters of that kind a re good. Isn't our nature good enough to be taken without filters? And does the postprocessing not give enough possibilities of adjustments? I sometimes have tried a polarizing, but I believe that I realize my best pictures without any filter (except UV).

Kind regards



A well composed pic with the horizon well positioned. The silhouette of the tree is well done and the detail and colour in the sky are also very well displayed.

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  • gannu Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 988 W: 4 N: 3277] (14761)
  • [2008-09-15 6:33]

Hello niek, Superb and excellent. Wonderful lighting and an awesome mood creation photograph. I saw something like this in a poster and this is a qualified poster picture. Ganesh

Hi Niek, fascinating sunset with wonderful silhoette of great tree and splendid colors, very well done, ciao Silvio

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  • PaulH Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1137 W: 26 N: 3879] (13882)
  • [2008-09-17 5:12]
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mmmm food for thought here. I guess the justification for upgrading my filter set is here to see plain as day. Just how much more expensive are they??
Anyway, what a fantastic tree you have found, and i suspect we are going to see more views with this in it in the future...very well composed as always, well done!

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  • joey Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1739 W: 224 N: 6872] (24909)
  • [2008-09-18 1:17]
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Hi Niek,
a very interesting observation.
I have two Cokin ND Grads (ND4 and ND8) and I have noticed the magenta hue. Have you ever tried useing both the ND4 and ND8 at once? The sky literally turns red!
I might buy a couple of Lee filters once I've bought a Sigma 10-20mm :-)
Also what make of polariser do you use? I'd like to get a decent one for the 10-20mm when I get it.

Fab shot by the way! That is a great tree :-)


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