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Copyright: Markus Peissard (Heaven) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 996 W: 123 N: 2341] (7912)
Genre: Landscapes
Medium: Color
Date Taken: 2009-01-25
Camera: Sony A700, Minolta 100 f2,8 Macro
Exposure: f/8, 1/125 seconds
Photo Version: Original Version
Theme(s): Abstract ice formations [view contributor(s)]
Date Submitted: 2009-01-27 8:22
Viewed: 3627
Favorites: 2 [view]
Points: 50
[Note Guidelines] Photographer's Note
Hi all!

I realize that many of my pictures should be deleted.

Citation (TN guidelines):

"The underlying theme of TrekNature is learning more about the world through nature photography. (...) shots of common objects (like closeups of garden plants, water droplets, etc.) tend not teach us anything without a suitable note, so unless there's a suitable note they will be deleted at the discretion of site moderators."

Hmm, I don't know what my closeups of ice and rock (flysch) formations do teach. Or does anybody not know what ice is?


I rarely explain something about nature in my postings, I just would like to transmit my emotions and show its beauty in my way, knowing that the question whether something is beautiful or not is very subjective. People who look at my pictures here on TN do not learn anything about nature... or is the fact that looking at nature in a different way and showing abstract beauty matter of learning?

Anyway, let me present you another picture of an ice formation I have photographed the other day. The surface shown here is very small, maybe 15-20cm long. The environment where I saw this drawing is not particularly beautiful. This icy surface was created due to a tiny water flow in the bed of the River Ärgera, about 20m away from the principal course. It's a stony bed and the different colours of the stones and the interplay of light and shadow create the different colour tones. The ice here is very brittle and only 1 to 5mm thick. It is more the result of frozen humidity in the air than frozen water, although both probably have worked together.

When you walk "normally" through the river's bed, you probably won't even notice surfaces like this one without wanting to find them. I "scan" the river's bed and stop at every tiny ice surface, turning around and searching for an interesting pattern. Sometimes I discover things I didn't expect and I'm never disappointed, even if I don't take any picture at all. Moreover, it's a wonderful way to relax, to forget sorrows and stress and to fill up energy...

Kind regards


Taken in RAW, basic level correction in Camera RAW; import to PS, level corrections, important attenuation of the bright tones, little saturation and sharpness.

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Some may classify this as a "nature-mort" Markus, yet a "still-life" is also a phenomenon of "life", which is all nature is about. The abstract shape in your frozen nature image resembles a full blown sailboat, a very lively environment indeed!

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  • jaycee Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2454 W: 10 N: 8044] (25460)
  • [2009-01-27 10:05]

Hi Markus,

Nice to have you for a neighbor but my little bird would not like all this ice. There are plenty of people who were born in Tucson and have never seen ice - except ice cubes. This is a beautiful shot - a perfect combination of nature and art. No chance it will be deleted.


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  • eng55 Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1256 W: 42 N: 1976] (5892)
  • [2009-01-27 10:43]

Hi Markus,
Beautiful and unusual capture.Well caught and composed.
Thanks for posting.

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  • nglen Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2883 W: 30 N: 9683] (36145)
  • [2009-01-27 11:44]

Hi Markus. I would be very sorry to see this picture taken off . This is nature and your picture shows us the way it canges with the weather . As always you are able to see what i would walk past but thanks to you i get to see this on my computer. Great shapes and detail . with blue colours in the ice, well done TFS.
Nick.. Keep posting and i will keep looking.

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  • valy67 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1727 W: 59 N: 3060] (9219)
  • [2009-01-27 13:34]

Hello Markus !
I really do hope none of your picture will be deleted - they may not "teach" us anything, but they allow us to see all the beauty of nature, sometimes through abstract pictures. You allow us to be amazd by the beauty of very simple things. This one, just like all the others, is fantastic. Very well done !

Hi Markus,

Great looking, icy, painting like shot. Images like this one- fully created by natural forces have the same value for me like colourfull butterflies or wild lions in Africa... nature is nature! Well done!


ciao Markus!
ice, the solid layer that incorporates all the things, but also capable of formidable designs with geometric shapes and colors.
the photo that you present today I would define a good frozen abstract
pleases me this vertical proposal rich of sharpness

best sERGIO

Let ME explain something to you as to why this is MOST CERTAINLY nature!

A monk told the Zen master: “I have just entered the monastery. Please teach me.” “Have you eaten your rice porridge?” the Zen master asked. “I’ve eaten it,” the monk replied. The Zen master said: “Then you had better wash your bowl.”

And at that moment the monk was enlightened …


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  • foozi Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 2791 W: 0 N: 6696] (25839)
  • [2009-01-27 18:10]

Hi Markus,
the philosophical underpinnings are so many, deep and vast could arise from this shot. Basically for a layman like me, it is a beautiful piece of art, like Pollock's painting. Breautiful and lovely. Only tjis one arrive from your excellent eyes in focussing the details of beauty and you painted it with your lens. Its splendid and beautiful.
If i were to start taking the shots of tree bark then it would render the beauty of the same appreciation, so keep on doing it as it enhance thought and provoke the paradigm of beauty in nature. Naturally it is nature.
Great presentation, Markus.


Hi Markus,

Teach by enable people to see it.See the ice in your beautiful gellary is priceless....i only see ice in my referigerator....old one, so why should delete.
I like how you transmit your emotion in abstract nature to explain it and share the beauty....sometime we can't explain.TFS.


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  • uleko Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3396 W: 172 N: 3310] (10940)
  • [2009-01-27 22:58]

Hello Markus,
I think there is definitely a place for your Art here especially as you always add an interesting note! However if 'abstract nature images' dominated this site it would definitely not be the same! There are hundreds of photographic sites with mixed subjects but TN is very special due to its intention to make people more aware of the beauty and importance of the flora and fauna on our planet.
I think you help us to sharpen our eyes for the beauty in nature and this is a beautiful example! You're showing us the magic shapes created by water as it freezes and I like your composition very much!
TFS and best wishes, Ulla

If the ice is not "living creature" does not means that is not part from the nature. In fact water is one of the most important element from our planet and all the forms that water is taken are part of the nature. And I think that we learn a lot from your picture: you need imagination and some artistic spirit.
Well done Markus!

Ciao Markus,
personalmente penso che non sia necessaria una censura sulle fotografie presentate, anche se scritto espressamente in un regolamento, poiché è impossibile racchiudere l'essenza della Natura entro degli schemi prestabiliti ..chi osserva la natura recepisce e giudica secondo la sua soggettività e sensibilità e lo stesso avviene per chi esprime o non esprime commenti alle varie immagini presentate ... il difetto caso mai sta nella velocità di consumo delle immagini e nel sistema dei commenti che porta inevitabilmente a "visite di scambio" ... scusa la lunga digressione ... la tua immagine rientra perfettamente secondo me nella "Natura" ed è una splendida immagine di un perfetto astrattismo in stile "still life", che se si traduce come "natura morta" e, come dice anche matatur, è solo un momento di vita colto e fermato nell'immagine, sia essa un quadro o una fotografia. Complimenti di nuovo.

Hi Heaven,
Your works comes under "Patterns of Nature". And you are the master in it. NGC has a theme in its photography site titles patterns of nature. Your works are of class. I like this pattern very much. Thanks a lot for sharing.

I find the intricate patterns & designs I see of great merit Markus.
So the keyword here is "discretion".
It's like looking at interesting cloud formations..
Your imagination can get lost in there :)
Well done!

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  • NinaM Gold Star Critiquer [C: 773 W: 3 N: 1157] (4077)
  • [2009-01-28 10:40]

Une chose est certaine, Markus, tes photos m'apportent beaucoup, j'apprends la beauté de la nature! N'est-ce pas là l'essentiel de TN. Et celle-ci m'a fait "ouf"! quand je l'ai vue. Magnifique et les couleurs sont très belles. J'avoue trouver ta Sony 700 fantastique pour les couleurs, c'est naturel et en même temps juste ce qu'il faut d'intensité. Très belle vision, mon ami!


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  • Argus Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 5038 W: 260 N: 15594] (50626)
  • [2009-01-28 13:02]
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Hello Markus,
No, this is not for deletion!
I know the terms of service and much depends on what we choose to learn. To me the most important ingredient in my love of nature is in its beauty: it is not just ID-ing species and how they differ, it is the way they appeal to us humans and that that all aspects of nature are a part of the planet that we live on. We must cherish that and look after our planet so that future generations can take a look at clean ice, admire its patterns and know that it is a part of the whole.
Surely learning to appreciate the beauty of nature is a part of learning about nature!
Thanks for taking up the subject!
Best regards,

Hi Markus!

What I've learned about nature through your pictures is that not only easily found things in nature can be beautiful, and not only common beauty is valuable. Might not be such a scientific knowledge but learning should not always be scientific. I've studied (and also will in the near future) most of all exact things like mathematics IT and financial studies so in my free time I like to take the emotional and less objective part as well.
And not only for me but for the site also I say this balance between the two "sides" can only make good. :)
And in addition I've learned much about photography itself from your abstracts. So for one I will save this wonderful shot on my computer before it gets deleted ;) TFS my friend!

Best regards,

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  • anel Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 3053 W: 3 N: 8715] (40574)
  • [2009-01-29 5:19]

Lieber Markus,
Du machst Dir viel zu viel Gedanken! Wenn das nicht Natur ist, was mag es wohl sein?
Wieder so ein Gesicht, diesmal in feinen Blautönen! Das hohe Format gefällt mir sehr, auch der Farbenübergang von feinem Grau bis zum Blau sind eine Delikatesse. Technisch wieder sehr gekonnt und dazu noch mit sicherem künstlerischem Gefühl. Gratuliere!
Herzliche Grüsse

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  • horia Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2158 W: 224 N: 4749] (16656)
  • [2009-01-30 2:13]

Hi Markus

If your photos will be removed, so will part of mine :)
I also have some landscapes and some abstract shots that don't really teach people anything specific about nature...they just put things in a different perspective or show that a country that most people associate with a bad image can contain wonderful places.
So, i'm on your side all the way! I really like all your abstract shots that show the amazing geometry of the natural world - weather its rock or ice or snow, the shapes, structures and chemical bonds that are created entertain out viewing pleasure and give a nice touch of color, too.
Very nicely seen and taken here, as always!

Bravo and TFS

Ciao Markus, congratulations for your splendid 100 post on TN, fantastic abstract by nature, fascinating composition, very well done, ciao Silvio

A perfectly artsy shot, Markus..I honestly had'nt read those rules or guidelines..interesting stuff!

Lieber Markus,
kann mich nicht satt sehen an diesem Foto, das in feinsten Tönen den ewigen Wandel der Natur im gefrorenen Moment zeigt. Und keine Sorge: die Administratoren dieser Seite kennen wenig Hemmung, wenn es darum geht, zu löschen, was nicht in die Regeln passt. Du bist mit Deinen wunderbar einfühlsamen Bildern ein Kreativer, der Naturbeobachtung mit philosophischer Tiefe und ausgeprägtem Sinn für Ästhetik verbindet. Ein Segen, dass es Dich hier gibt. Gratulation zum 100sten!
Herzliche Grüße,

Hello Marcus,
Obviously a Picasso. No, it is a Peissard:-)
I like abstract work especially when it's well done.
Thanks for sharing.

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  • waylim Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 296 W: 8 N: 489] (1765)
  • [2014-01-30 15:55]


Beautiful, no words require to say why it is beautiful and no special note needed. Maybe just a couple sentence to satisfy the moderators :)


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