Popular Hawkmoth Compare and Contrast
- Fisher (8915)
- [2006-07-10 13:53]
It's just a kit lens, ;(
#1 like the 5D, you need the Nikon top lenses with the D200
The 5D needs the L series lenses to perform well. I don't know what the Nikon ones are called.
The tones from the D200 are much nicer.
#2 as a new user to the DSLR, it takes abit of getting use to. Some patience required. You have a very nice cam, just give it a chance.
Do you have CS2 to work with? or Nikon's new program, highly recommended.
- dew77 (13270)
- [2006-07-10 14:23]
I'm also a Nikon D200 user and very happy with my new choise:)
Your post consists of two macro images and compact cameras have advantage because of little sensors against DSLR.It's not easy to make two same shot with 1/25 and you should use a tripod for equitable comparison:)18-70mm is insufficent lens for macro shots.I think results would be very different if you choosed
ISO 400.For best results with D200 you should take images at RAW format.Have a great day!
- extramundi (13178)
- [2006-07-10 15:26]
Hello Robert, nice to meet you my friend.
I already have my own conclusions, now I see this I am more convinced.
The Sony F-717 F-707 are incldible cameras, and mine will go with my equipment, wherever the DSRL goes too.
In low lighting conditions are a pleasure to work with, they are confortable and reliable. For difficult placed subjects are just great. But in lanscapes they just dont work.
I am not sayind that the colour depth or quality is not better in DSLRs, what I say is that in macros, or near low light shots, they are incredibly reliable cams which produce very nice results.
I invite you to see THIS POST where I also make a comparison. Read the note.
Best regards, Felipe.
- wishnugaruda (19365)
- [2006-07-10 15:30]
I love this moth, wonderful.
It's also interesting to see the shot with different cameras. The upper one (A) is warmer in the colours, the one down(B) has better contrast and I like this one (B) more. There's a nice blue glance on the wings, wonderful.
Thanks for sharing
Sabine - wishnugaruda
- Aramok (5166)
- [2006-07-10 15:45]
Still with B... much better and closer to what I remember them looking like. Great Moth thought, those pinks and oranges come out really well on the bottom image.
I still get better (really close) macro pictures from the powershot A700 than I do from my EOS 350D becuase I don't have the macro lens...but won't go anywhere without the EOS 350D... practice and maybe the RAW conversion has something to do with it...
Firstly I should point out that your comparison is a little unfair :-) You've set the Sony to auto white balance but limited the Nikon by setting it manually, and then pointed out that the Sony has more accurate colours. Not surprising really. I never change my WB setting for that reason, it's always on auto as I figure the camera can work it out better than I can.
As for the lens, the 17-55 is a much better lens in that range but what you really need here is a dedicated macro lens.
What you've bought in the D200 is the ability to cope with every situation, which of course is dependent on you having the right lenses. If you want to take macro shots, you should have a good macro lens. The lens you have is a good all-rounder, not a specialist lens. It's a bit like an all-in-one printer, it's designed to be pretty good at most things but will never compete with a photo-quality printer for printing photos. It sounds to me that you've possibly made up your mind that you don't like the camera. As the others say, stick with it, it's a great camera. When my D2h gets past it's best-by-date I intend to replace it with a D200. The only reason I bought the D2x and not a D200 this time around is the speed which I need for motorsport and the extra megapixels because I like more :-)
I've taken a look around TN and there are some fantastic shots taken with the D200, albeit with different lenses (you're the only person who has posted to TN using the 18-70).
Have faith my friend, it's a great camera, but unfortunately as Mike says, you'll have to splash out on a good lens or two to release it's full potential.
And as Emma says, shoot RAW. You can change the WB anywhichway you want using Photoshop or Nikon Capture.
I know you're frustrated, but... It's impossible to determine any real differences in quality at this sort of size - I could resize the output from my old DC210 and my Canon EOS 10D, and after a bit of processing you probably wouldn't be able to tell at this size - now when you print them, then you'll know ;)
I've already mentioned that the Sony will use higher sharpening settings than the Nikon by default, so if you're unhappy with the sharpness - bump up the sharpness settings in camera. Or, far better, shoot RAW - then you can twiddle things afterwards.
As several of the others have already mentioned - the kit lens isn't going to perform as well as that on the Sony anyway, particularly not for macro work.
Send me a RAW file you'd like processed, and I'll post you a Workshop on it. First up I'll see what I can do with CS2, and then I'll download and install RawShooter (I didn't like it last time I tried it), and give you instructions for that.
Incidentally, have a look at the Workshop I've just posted - see what you think now ;)
Also, as a matter of interest - do all your lenses seem to front focus? If so, it's either your eyesight, or the dioptre setting on the camera that need work...
Lovely capture though :D
- red45 (31094)
- [2006-07-11 3:24]
Looks like taking photos with dSLR isn't easy :-) At first look I thought that picture from your old Sony looks better. As someone said - more natural. But I think D200 is a lot better, probably need more practising :-) Anyway - very usefull presentation, extremally interesting subject and good note.
- sandpiper2 (16757)
- [2006-07-11 8:58]
Well I think you succeeded in generating plenty of discussion. Its ages since I've seen such long critiques by several people.
I think its a great comparison and very useful for people with a limitted budget. I think the lesson is, if you can't afford to buy high quality lenes, don't bother with a DSLR. For the record I think the Sony pic is more appealling; but even though I'm never likely to own one, I wouldn't throw the Nikon away just yet.
- phlr (2821)
- [2006-07-11 11:12]
Great comparison Robert, from two different cameras!
For me, the bottom image is more natural, but I never saw this moth on wild or even in pictures, so it is a matter of opinion.
Both has very good details!
5* and TFS!