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Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? coasties Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3749 W: 483 N: 8155] (28054)::2007-01-17 2:56
I have been given the opportunity to purchase a Canon 1D Mk1 with 9703 shutter actuations. It has been looked after really well and is at a realistic price, but to buy this I will need to on sell my Canon 10D. If you were in this situation, what would you do? I love my 10D, but......

I would appreciate some help here.... thank you!

Cheers

Pam
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? horia Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2158 W: 224 N: 4749] (16656)::2007-01-17 3:59
I'm not to experienced with SLR, but looking at your equipment list from your intro i say you should go for it.

I mean you would still have the 20D which i can see you use a lot (most of your recent posts are taken with that one) and i've heared people praizing the 1D Mk1.

Eitherway...good luck in making a good choice :)
Cheers
Horia
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? claudine Gold Star Critiquer [C: 2486 W: 0 N: 0] (0)::2007-01-17 11:30
I read that the MK1 was water resistant? I didn't found much info about it but it could be very interesting and you already have your 20-D... If you don't use your 10-D that often, I'll go for it. Thanks,
Claudine
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? dew77 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 4432 W: 248 N: 4028] (13270)::2007-01-18 3:22
Hi Pam,
As i know it's a professional body and has faster and better autofocus system then 10,20 and 30D.
I think it will be a good choise.
Warm regards
Sebnem
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? netfalls Gold Star Critiquer [C: 1752 W: 0 N: 0] (0)::2007-01-18 6:27
Hi Pam,
The Eos 1D is technicaly much better than the 10D, IMO There is not much to think about.
Just go for it.
Cheers
Philip
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? vanderschelden Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2553 W: 74 N: 7464] (30441)::2007-01-18 13:37
Hi...
Don't know about the 10D but the 20D has a 'better' high ISO ability. This is the result of internal noise processing; The 1D will give you a very sharp high ISO photo with good detail wheras the 20D will generate a cleaner high ISO image at the expense of fine detail.
Read this in a forum. Not my experience:-(
Regards
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? Bufo Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 404 W: 69 N: 951] (4247)::2007-01-19 3:43
Hi Pam,
In the analog era I had an Canon EOS 1V which had a superb autofocus mechanism. I really had to swallow when I bought my first digital SLR (yes, the D10). I even nowadays use the EOS 1V a lot, but only for black&white family pictures. The EOS 1D MkII has a similar and even improved autofocus system. Once you got used to it, it is really hard to get back. 9703 clicks seem like a lot, but then again it is a professional camera. This should be able to take a lot more.
For birds you loose the 1,6 zoom factor to 1,3 (?), but the mkII can handle the 2X converter on autofocus, whereas the D20 and D10 cannot.I would do it, if the price is fair.
Regards, JAcob
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? fthsm Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 172 W: 56 N: 512] (3689)::2007-01-19 17:40
If your money is enough when you sell 10D, don't think, go. You will see the difference.
Best wishes,
Fatih
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? coasties Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3749 W: 483 N: 8155] (28054)::2007-01-27 3:05
Hi and thanks to everyone for your response and advise. After much thought I have decided to save a little extra money and buy the Canon 1D MkllN. Just a few extra months savings and I think it will be well worth the wait.

Many many thanks.

Kind regards

Pam
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? TAZ Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2241 W: 47 N: 3167] (10926)::2007-01-31 11:50
Dear Pam,
It was a gift, remember : "My wonderful husband surprised me with a Canon EOS 10D on the 8th December 2004" ;-)
Friendly,
Christian
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? Olof_O Silver Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor [C: 20 W: 12 N: 11] (85)::2007-02-03 3:32
You didn't say how much the 1D MarkII was selling for. The shutter on that camera should be good for a minimum 100,000 actuations, so it could well be a great deal.

Lars
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? flagman Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 351 W: 44 N: 607] (2408)::2007-02-09 5:14
Lars, Pam said it was a 1D Mark I, not a Mark II. A lot of difference. I think it's about 4mpixels, isn't it?
Obviously not a patch on the Mark II but a great swap for the 10D. The 8.5fps shooting speed could catch a lot of shots other cameras will miss.
It sould like Pam's made her mind up and will save for the Mark II anyway.
Andy
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? Olof_O Silver Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor [C: 20 W: 12 N: 11] (85)::2007-02-10 0:52
Hi, personally, a 4 megapixel SLR would not be my choice, 8.5fps or not. I would trade the high frame rate for a much higher resolution any day. 4 megapixels would not yield a very large print (16x20+). In this case, I would hold out for a used 20D (5fps), or a new 30D (again 5fps).

I started with film 30 years ago. 3 to 5 fps was the limit for a lot of SLR's in the film world, with a few exceptions. High frame rates do make some types of photography easier, but for most subject matter it is not required. I shot Mountain Bike and Road Bike races in the '90's, mostly with manual focus, manual exposure cameras like the Nikon FM2n (one of my favs). I did have the MD-12 motordrive (3fps or 3.5fps, I forget), but I used it on single frame advance most of the time. Most of my shooting involved flash fill, which explains the single frame advance. I do not do much wildlife, but even then I shoot single frame advance.
I learned the old fashioned way, get to know your subject, and learn to anticipate the action. It has worked for me. It also allowed me to photograph action with cameras not designed for that kind of subject matter. I used hasselblads, and Mamiya 645 cameras for bike races and hockey.

I can't tell pam what to buy, that is up to her, but I can tell her what my choices would be. She can then decide for herself.
I hope that I have been helpful... you all seem like great people, and I would rather be helpful, then opinionated.

Lars
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? AdrianW Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 257 W: 185 N: 215] (710)::2007-02-10 10:28
Pam, based on Canon's past release patterns I suspect both current models in the 1d range will probably be replaced at PMA (in March), so it may be worth waiting to see what arrives then. I suspect the 5d and 30d will also be replaced as well. I could be wrong, but I'd put money on at least a couple of those being replaced...

If it's any consolation, I'm still shooting with a 10d too ;) All current models (inc the 400d) should outperform the 10d in terms of power on speed, af, shutter lag, write speed, and high iso performance. I'm waiting for the 40d, and/or a cheaper fullframe camera.

Something I wonder about - would a less cropped body suit you? Based on your shots, I'd say a 1.6x crop factor suits you. If so, wait for the 40d.
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? vanderschelden Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2553 W: 74 N: 7464] (30441)::2007-02-10 16:42
Hi Pam and everybody else;-)
I have a question for Adrian:
Can you tell me (us) more about Canon's release patterns? Is it always at PMA (I guess this is annual)that new Canon products in terms of DSLR's are launched?
I visited the PMA07 site; more specific a Canon search and found nothing concerning new releases.
I guess your opinion is based on Canon's past release patterns only...or do you have other sources as well? Strange you never hear something about it(DSLR); maybe it is Canon's policy?
Secondly do you expect something new for prime(fixed focal length) lenses with focal length 400 and 500 mm as well? Is there a release pattern to detect?
And finally...I know Pam's work; why do you advice a 1,6x crop factor and not a full frame (the price not taken into account)?
Greetings to you all
Annick
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? AdrianW Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 257 W: 185 N: 215] (710)::2007-02-10 17:43
Annick, no internal sources, but have a look at this timeline:
dSLR releases

Historically Canon tends to launch new models at the two major trade shows: Either PMA (roughly now(ish)) or Photokina (September(ish)), so most of the dSLR range would seem to be up for replacement soon based on that schedule. As a side note, it's also the 20th anniversary of the EOS/EF mount, and Canon's 70th anniversary this year - some I'm hoping for something really neat, but not holding my breath. I am however waiting for the 40d announcement ;)

No idea about the primes unfortunately, wish I did...

As for why do I think 1.6x would suit Pam better? Most of her more recent portfolio seems to be close-ups, and they're easier with the multiplier - as you get effectively 1.6x more lens for your money ;)
Re: Some Advice Please....... What Would You Do? vanderschelden Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2553 W: 74 N: 7464] (30441)::2007-02-10 20:25
Hi Pam, Adrian,...
Wikipedia...;-)
And it IS useful stuff.
Every 2 years it is Photokina, I guess. Not this year. Next year: 2008.
Probably new Canon DSLR devices will be released in America and Europe simultaneously due to PMA; I don't know actually what they did in the past. And of course what happened back then is just an indicator...
Anniversary 20 and 70...what will they do at 25 and 75? Of course, that is another 5 years...
I do hope there are some nice surprises though. Like not too expensive in the first place:-).
Is there a similar timeline concerning prices...I guess 'just released' is higher in price compared to prices after a certain time for instance a year or so...
Strange nobody knows about these new releases...I heard here about the 40d and that's about it...just a rumour?

About Pam's portfolio; I should prefer more pixels and higher resolution instead of focal length.
Once again... not taken into account the IMO too high prices. Canon???
;)